In a message dated 1/17/99 12:14:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, jones_gl@EFN.ORG writes: << Today as i was installing decoupling caps on a circuit board i thought to myself: "Why dont the IC manufactures just incorperate a decoupling cap right in the ic itself?" Any one have any ideas? >> Hi All, Since I am in the business of making machines that make Ceramic capacitors I'll field this one. One problem with capacitors is that the value of the capacitor is directly related to its size. Integrating a capacitor of sufficient value to act as a bypass cap would require that the IC's package grow by quite a bit.. Open your Digikey catalog and check the values VS Size. There are IC sockets that have caps built into them as long as your chip uses a standard Power/Gnd pin configuration (Typically the lower left pin for ground and the upper right pin for VCC) One of the things my company is pioneering is the use of very thin Dielectrics (less than 5 micron) to make very small chip caps. If you half the thickness of the dielectric you increase capacitance by a factor of 4. You also reduce the voltage tolerance. Life is made of trade-offs. We are starting to see the use of 01-02 chip capacitors. Thats 10 thousandths by 20 thousandths. They look like pepper when sprinkled on a sheet of paper. I'm not sure how they handle them but thats not my department! Dave Duley Dreitek Inc. www.dreitek.com