Hi PICLISTERS one and all. This is a spam message. Flame me! Go ahead, make my Birthday. Spams accepted up until midnight on the 7th Jan Australian EST. Afterwards, WWIII :-) Yes it is my birthday, an auspicious occasion? to announce the arrival of something numerous people have been hoping and dreaming of. I have posted a little info on my web page Re new MPLAB programmers and upgrade chips. These are 100% MPLAB compatible. They use the same protocol as the PICSTART PLUS and work with the latest version of MPLAB. They also are bilingual (I was going to call them bisexual but...) and compatible with my own TM4 protocol. This means that my own DOS and windows software can be used with them also. This offers the maximum flexibility as I have features in my own software not found in MPLAB. (Serial numbers, Auto calibration support, batch mode programming and other stuff with more coming. I hope to keep the SEEPROM feature or offer it as an option in a larger size PIC. I am also looking at upgrading TM4 to be production standard and may include this in future releases. Just wait until I get hold of those lovely 16C887s FLASH parts! ) Right now I have a working chip (16C64) ready for insertion into the WARP-17 programmer. I have programmed a vast array of different pic chips with MPLAB and this programmer. (12C50x, 16C5x, 16Cxx, 17Cxx) Of course an array of adapters is required for this programmer. This is the downside of 4LAB but it is also what makes it accessible in the price stakes. 4LAB supports only limited socket multiplexing 8, 14 and 18-pin parts together. The 28-pin skinny dip and the 40-pin 16Cxx are same socketed devices and the 16C55/57/555/557, the 14000 and the 17Cxx groups each require separate sockets. Other programmers will follow. I need the 16C557 chip for the warp-3 and PP1 but a jerry rigged 16C62 to 16C57 adapter may do in the meantime. Depending on demand and the time table for the 16C557, I may get nice adapters made up. There is a little information on my web page regarding other programmers and even including "TAIT" style firmwareless programmers. Many of these can have a firmware chip inserted between them and the host PC. This will turn these "limited" programmers into really reliable, correctly timed programmers even under windows. Not every upgrade will program every chip. There is no way that a "TAIT" style programmer with magically program 16C5x parts or 17Cxx parts. Neither will my WARP-3 or PP1 programmer magically program 17Cxx parts just because MPLAB and the PICSTART PLUS does. The code for these N/A devices will not even be in the chips. I have included extended protocols that identify the devices supported by each firmware but unfortunately there will be buckley's chance of getting microchip to incorporate them into MPLAB. Please note that none of my offerings necessarily replace the PICSTART PLUS and if you have the dollars available I strongly recommend you consider it as the best first option, especially as my own windows driver will increase its functionality somewhat. If you don't have the dollars and would like the convenience and ease of full MPLAB integration, consider looking my way. I have started a mailing list to distribute information as development surges ahead. There may be a little advertising on this list but it is a single line and occurs only when I post a message. If there is enough interest I will spend the dollars and get the gold version with no adverts. This mailing list will include information on all my programmers. If there is enough interest I will split it up as needed and may open it as a discussion group for programmers in general. Please see my web page for more info and to join this mailing list. Thanks for the generous bandwidth. Jim Oh, yes, P.S. If you were wondering, I'm 34 today and still as ugly as the day I was born.. :-) -------------------------------------------------------- Jim Robertson Email: newfound@pipeline.com.au http://www.pipeline.com.au/users/newfound --------------------------------------------------------