Jim Robertson wrote:
>
> At 20:54 4/01/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >John, don't waste your time building a programmer, your time is much
> >better spent designing your applications, IMHO. Go to kitsrus.com, buy
> >kit #96 for $25 (with shipping from Hong Kong!) and download the free
> >programming software.  The kit is easily assembled in an hour, I had
> >mine up and running, and my first PIC '84 running in 2 hours! That was
> >several days ago.  Anyway that's just my opinion, but check it out, it
> >programs most all PICS...you need only add a m/f 25-pin cable and a wall
> >wart!  Good Luck.
>
> Um, correct me if I'm wrong but the software is shareware and requires
> a payment of USD$25 to the author.
>
Oh yes, I guess it is, but then there's lots of free software out there
that'll also program this device.
> This is posted on the kits "R" us web site:
>
> Price $US25.00 includes all postage & packing & bank charges. You can use
> the secure
>      credit card webpage. Note software expires after 21 days and you must
> registered it
>      ($US25) directly with the software writer.
>
> So your USD$25 programmer "kit" is really a USD$50 "kit" doesn't program
> 16C5x
> parts ( I don't care, as I don't need to program them, and I did say *most* PI
Cs, but then I am not SURE that it won't program them either)and certainly has l
ittle chance of "working with MPLAB."  I beg to differ, but then how do you defi
ne "work with"?  I compiled a sample program with MPLAB and programmed the PIC w
ith the resultant hex file with absolutely no problems, but then I am a one-week
 new beginner. Maybe there are lots of incompatabilities there.
But again- the device meets my needs, and does so inexpensively, and I
still stand by it as a good starter device.  Besides, my finished
devices will contain in-circuit programming capability anyway. Do the
16C5x devices also allow such 2-pin programming?  If so, then the point
is moot.


>
> I suggest a little work with a web brower and a calculator might be required.
Jim
(Nice stab at my intelligence- no harm done I've thick skin)
> Thanks for the corrections though, Jim.  Your delivery could use a little atti
tude adjustment though(grin).
>
>
> >John and Elaine Schenk wrote:
> >>
> >> I am in need or a PIC programmer that will work with MPLAB and 16F84
> mclrs. I am going to try the Parallel Programmer in the Electronics Now
> Sept 98issue. Has anybody had any success with this one? Also I am looking
> for a complete schematic for the YAP programmer found in Myke Predko's
> Programming and Customizing the PIC Microcontroller. A parts list would
> also be quite helpful. Any input would be greatly appreciated, this is my
> first attempt at PICs.
> >>
> >> Andrew Schenk
> >
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>
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