This list is a defacto Atmel list as well now so - We developed an Atmel programmer for the above 1051, 2051 & 4051. We used chips with batch numbers 9719 9716 9631. They were OK. We are now about to release the programmer but chips with batch number 9836 have a problem programming. Byte verification fails at a byte early on. But if one verifies the complete burn then the verification is OK. We have just found this problem. Can anyone suggest anything? Many thanks, peter crowcroft peter@kitsrus.com http://kitsrus.com.