> > does anyone know of a programmer for PIC16f84 chips which uses an > AT90S1200 to talk to the computer? > Hi ! I've got an idea. You can build an universal smart programmer with 8051 microcontroller. It's universal because in EP/Flash ROM you can hide many programs (each for different PIC), and user can choose the one program by the external switch. Mariusz Murawski maniek99@friko4.onet.pl