To me, it has always been a good news/bad news situation. I remember as a boy the ease with which one could work on vacuum-tube equipment and also the frequency with which one needed to work on it. As am amateur radio operator who is also blind, I remember the common practice of connecting a voltage controlled oscillator, itself made of discrete transistors or even tubes to the meter or meters that showed anode current and grid drive for the final power amplifier stage. The idea was to listen for a peak in the tone frequency or to indirectly read the numerical value of the meter by comparing the tone generated by the voltage across the meter movement against a calibrated source with a pointer and raised dots around the dial. When the pitch of the meter matched the pitch as heard from the calibrated test dial, then we could "read" the meter by checking the position of the pointer on the scale. Even with discrete transistors, one could always find some tap point in the circuit to get a desired signal. There are even some construction articles which would give speech to older digital multimeters or frequency counters by connecting the speech controller to the segment drivers, if accessible, or even the segment lines and also to the strobes. The result would be messy, but did work for some people. The bad news is that things are so well integrated today that there aren't many if any practical places to tap signals that wouldn't physically ruin the display. The good news is that one can now buy digital meters and frequency counters that have computer ports. This is the way to go. I only hope that through-hole components and wire-wrap technology stays around for a few more years. On a personal level, I can handle the size of components and pin spacing with this form of technology with no real problem but that surface mount stuff just feels like blobs of plastic with slightly rough edges.:-) One can take a scribe or pin which I sometimes call my Braille microscope and tell something about the number of leads or the presence of an index mark, but I don't know any practical way to build or repair surface mount equipment. The only good news there is that some chips have matching sockets that can be put in to a wire-wrap nest. These are the good old days of tinkering. Now, if I can just get a decent operating system on my computers that wasn't designed by total idiots. I think I am going Linux for there is still hope with it. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Data Communications Group