>Have any of you guys seen the pdf data sheet ? > > 5V only programming > new fangled debug pins Microchip was talking about this (or some similar) chip at ESC. Specifically, the debug pins were "advertised." I don't think the booth personel wre amused when I commented that it sounded like a result of the scenix war... By the way, how many (if any) of the scenix "published" virtual peripherals run on PICs as well? BillW