PicNPoke will very soon have it's own programmer and real world port interface for the simulator. At this stage, it will be a Do It Yourself project, with source code, schematics, PCB design etc supplied. It will program all 16cXX chips , 8pin to 40 pin, 14000 and Serial EEPROM's. You can add new PIC's by adding text to the 'pic.ini' file supplied. It also has the user selectable capability of program verify at upper and lower Vcc. It uses the serial port so should be compatible with Win NT. PicNPoke's price is $US27.00, depending on exchange rates. Registered users will get the project update free. -- Best regards Tony Multimedia 16F84 Beginners PIC Tools. http://www.picnpoke.com Email picnpoke@cdi.com.au