**** Professional wiring standards flame shields up **** A truly horrible method which, none-the-less seems to work, when terminating wires in terminal blocks is as follows. I almost blush to promulgate this as I'm SURE that all the experts will explain why you shouldn't do it, but judge for yourself whether it is useful. At one stage I did some work on taxi computers installed in cars. These were wired in with screw down terminal blocks (no rising clamps here!). There were 100+ computers involved and they were about 4+ years old so they represented a reasonable sample. Some person unknown had used the following method to terminate the wires on SOME of the computers. These "seemed" to have a lower incidence of broken wires over a period for several years while I was involved with them. I didn't, unfortunately, do a methodical tally on faults versus termination method but was convinced enough that, in due course, I adopted the method on all computers in this system that I dealt with. i Strip wire as usual. Tin or not etc as desired. XXXXX----------- ii Double the stripped end of the wire over onto the insulated portion. (or the bare wire could be longer and wound around the insulated end in a short spiral. ___ _ XXXXXI or XXXXX\\\\\XI iii Clamp with screw or clamp onto combined insulation and wire. | _\/_ XXXXXI I have discussed this method with a competent experienced friend and we concluded that i It couldn't improve things. ii Various reasons why it would work if in fact it was found that it did :-) The method has its limitations. The wire end should be under the screw/clamp or 180 degrees around from it. The insulation is cratered by the screw end. Wiring inspectors and competent friends will look askance at you. ................... **** Professional wiring standards flame shields still up :-) **** -----Original Message----- From: Morgan Olsson At 01:33 1998-11-22 +0000, Mark Moss wrote: -snip- > The flux helps draw the molten solder down inside the >insulation, achieving the same result. You should probably use a flux >that won't tend to cause corrosion. > >BTW, when a Pace came to my company to give solder classes, he told the >students not to do this. The reason was that, although the wire is more >likely to break, at least it breaks outside the insulation where trouble >shooting is easier. My belief is that it's best not to have the wire >break in the first place. \ Yes, but in my experience cables break much *less* when they are tinned by \ this method up a mm or two inside the insulation. \Because the insulation makes the bend much smoother. \ That is, for small movements like vibration etc.\ \ \ For large wire movements like when the wire is pulled around making sharp \ bends directly at the solder joint then instead the tinned stiff wire will \ break earlier than an untinned flexible multistrand joint. But of course i \ always clamp such cables! \ \As always, adjust your methods to the application :) \ \ Morgan