To anyone wondering if PIP02 can program the 16F84: yes, it can. I tried it with the 16C84 selected and it worked just fine. I thought it wouldn't work because the programming cycle for the 16F84 is 20ms while for the 16C84 is only 10ms. I had problems using PiX because it kept saying "Modem detected, No/Bad Hardware" when I selected my COM port. AndrŽ Malafaya Baptista