I have worked with the Ivex package. It has a nice interface, although somewaht illogical in some points. It also managed to crash my w95 (which is otherwise quite stable) often, so remember to SAVE your work VERY OFTEN! > Troy, > Try www.ivex.com for a free copy of windraft and winboard, they are > limited to 100 pins but you can purchase upgrades. Mouser also > sells the CD for $29.95 that allows up to 220 pins, you need one > for each package, but for $60.00 I've been able to do some pretty > decent boards.