Hi, > >I have no practical experience of this, but .... > >. > >At 19200 bps a wavelength is C/19200/K > >where C is 3 x 10^8metres/second and K is a velocity modifier. > >For K = say 3, a wavelength is about 5000 metres. > >I'd say your eg 30 meter stubs are going to be fairly harmless. > >. > >But then, as Carl Sagan was won't to say, I may be wrong. Doesn't the rise/fall times also play a role in the severity of reflections? I remember something about a rule of thumb saying if the rise/fall time is shorter than twice the propagation time then transmission line theory must be applied. > > We installed a lot of 485 networks for banking equipment that ran 485 at > 19200. (or slower) > Never saw a problem related to reflections, and actually, it appeared that > the termination resistors were hurting rather than helping. The reflections > were over with so fast, that the resistor's main effect was to cut the > signal level in half. I think they may help damp out noise pickup though. > > If you don't have real uarts, then a weak pull to +5V on one line and ground > on the other will help cut down on the idle-state "chatter". > Do you mean by real uart a uart that oversamples the input and decides on some majority rule? If all transmission line effects die out within the first 10-20% of each bit, then one should be safe. As long as the tranzorbs can taken care of the over and undershoots. Thanks, Niki