Hi Edu, Sorry, I just checked their price - I was wrong - its $60 ... I still think its a great little programmer - I've also got the additional 28/40 pin ZIP add-on ($30) and I bought an additional 18 pin ZIF for the main board. Works great for me. The serial LCD from elproducts is $39.95 - it has 1/2" digits. At 06:45 PM 9/18/98 -0500, you wrote: > Hi John: > Are you talkin about the $60.00 EPIC Plus PIC programmer sold by >MicroEngineering? Labs,Inc. >