Troy, Try www.ivex.com for a free copy of windraft and winboard, they are limited to 100 pins but you can purchase upgrades. Mouser also sells the CD for $29.95 that allows up to 220 pins, you need one for each package, but for $60.00 I've been able to do some pretty decent boards. -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" -----Original Message----- From: Troy Curtiss To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Date: Thursday, September 17, 1998 9:15 AM Subject: SOT: Preferred schematic capture/PCB layout package? (again...) > The other day, a friend of mine was asking what schematic capture/PCB >layout package/s would be best for doing some PIC/embedded-control >consulting work. I remember seeing a thread on this list a while back with >several suggestions/recommendations of some capable, yet low-cost packages. > I'd appreciate it if anyone could dredge up a quick summary of what >packages were recommended and their pros/cons? Thanks a lot, > >-Troy