A wide coverage receiver will tell you quite a lot. Access to its IF or audio output will give you some idea of quantitative signal strengths. . Small portable TV's with multiband manual tuning allow you to tune across hundreds of MHz (from about 40 MHz up) and SEE the signal. it really works - I've done it. The manual intensiveness of the task is a disincentive. A "scanner" type receiver may also be useful but I haven't tried this. . "Good Spectrum Analysers" have been mentioned. The "gooder" the better of course but you can build a hobbyist spectrum analyser from magazine projects for about $US100 which use a tv tuner and are surprisingly capable (I have one which i built based on an Electronics Australia kitset design). Ain't HP or Tek but it does work. Add a few lowish cost accessories such as a comb generator (for spot frequency calibration) and a bit of ingenuity and you can get a fair idea of how well your device performs. Below 30 MHz you are looking at largely conducted signals - look at the standards (in our libraries, maybe on the net) and see what they are aiming at - a cheap absorbing clamp using surplus ferrites should be possible. (I haven't tried this, yet). -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Orr- Underwater Acoustics Group To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [OT] UK/EU compliance testing for prototypes >At 09:06 14/09/98 -0700, you wrote: >>You would use the compliance route called "Self Declaration". This means you >>consult with testing agencies on finding the best catagory for your >>product(s) or you just select the "generic" EN50081 catagory. Then you apply >>or have the test agency apply the necessary tests to fulfill the >>specification. > >This is still quite pricey- I've looked into it, but none of the normally >touted options are really suited to the hobbyist who is relatively >confident that the device is designed well and will not malfunction due to >external EMF, or cause others to do so. > >What I would like is a simple item I could build, or buy cheaply, with >which I could test items which I feel are likely to "pass by a mile"- so if >I test them myself, in non-laboratory conditions, with simple tests, and >they pass those effortlessly, then I can confidently assume they will pass >the "easier to pass but more costly to implement" tests required for actual >compliance. > >I realise that some manfuacturers are pumping equipment which just "nips >through" the tests, but many products, such as low frequency, small, well >designed PIC circuits will, as someone has mentioned, probably not even >register on the tests- surely there's some simple tests which could be done >"at home" to verify this- and if emissions are within an order of magnitude >of the limits, one could go for the real tests to be sure? > >>There are other routes to pursue, but I would consider self declaration the >>most efficient and least costly for small operations. > >Where small is a business producing one or two hundred, maybe- where small >is a hobbyist producing less than ten- definitely not! List the prices, >divide them by 10, and see what effect that has on a product with a parts >cost of about 10 to 20 dollars? A large one! > >Nigel >-- >Nigel Orr Research Associate O ______ > Underwater Acoustics Group, o / o \_/( >Dept of Electrical and Electronic Engineering (_ < _ ( > University of Newcastle Upon Tyne \______/ \( >