> Pro-Engineer.....who makes that one??? Parametric Technologies. They only sell to high end customers. They claim to out-sell AutoCad, although they only have 100,000 installed seats. Slick, three piece suit sales force fulla young turks. You get a different technical support guy every visit, and they all seem to be making a lot of money at it. Behind all this is a software product ten years behind in ease-of-use. I have no use for such people. -- Lawrence Lile "The ideal design has zero parts" - (attributed to Harold Hallikainen) Download AutoCad blocks for electrical drafting at: http://home1.gte.net/llile/index.htm