OOpps, I'm a bit embarresed now ;( I realise NOW that you MUST gave been joking but I in my serious frame of mind didn't notice Sorry CLyde - I really thought you were some serious plebe (like the sort that walk the streets of most Australian country towns). I'll byte me tung in future !@#$%^% Rgds ~`:o) Mike Massen Trading as "Network Power Systems" Perth, Western Australia Ph/Fx +61 8 9444 8961 Products/Personal/Client web area at http://www.wantree.com.au/~erazmus (Current feature - trip to Malaysia to install equipment in jungle power site) Some say there is no magic but, all things begin with thought then it becomes academic, then some poor slob works out a practical way to implement all that theory, this is called Engineering - for most people another form of magic.