Hi Kent, I built the Dontronics programmer, and I am very happy with it. I only program the PIC16C84 at this stage but it also can be configured to program the F84. I use Nigel Goodmans software to download and burn the micro, which is mounted on a Simmstick -----Original Message----- From: Kent Berry To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Date: Tuesday, 18 August 1998 8:21 Subject: help should i build my own programmer or buy one > I,m new at this, and i have seen a lot of different programmers to build and >if i build one will it be supported or should i just buy one where is the >best planes where is the best buy ? > Regards, Graeme Odgers