The BBC did a series called "The Secret Life of Machines", with the aid of some chaps who produce illustrative cartoons in "New Scientist" magazine. Tim Hunkin I think the name is. One programme about the quartz watch showed the oscillator driving a counter driving a logic chip and eventually the power into a set of strip lights. Arranged in the familiar 7-seg pattern, they showed the time. I thought this was a cute way of building a very big digital clock. Instead of driving the LEDs of a seven segment display, the decoder can drive the LEDs of opto-coupled triacs switching the mains. I think controlling the power into filament strip lights may be easier than the more efficient flourescent ones. You could put them into a black box with 7-segs cut out and behind that a translucent diffuser - white, red, green, or even blue! ------------------------------------------------------------ Quote of the day: "Huh, and _she_ calls _me_ a slob? Every time I go for a piss, the sinks full of dirty plates!" ------------------------------------------------------------