On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Timothy D. Gray wrote: > Sure :-) tell me more how the standard shock sensor doesn't do this when a > bird leaves evidence on your car, or the wind blows, or a dog farts near > it. I actuall like the standar car alarm... Go through a parking lot, and > push down on the hoods, set's them off nicely! (BTW, my car has a > clearance of 3 inches.. I had 18 inches of blowing snow build up and the > alarm never went off :-) as for bottles and burger wraps.. only if ya > live in detroit, chicago or NY.. most of america is quite clean. Ok, my dream car alarm uses 2 of those new piezo accelerometer sensors (Murata etc) coupled to digital integrators (in the PIC) to implement a crude INS. It has a single PIR sensor in the passenger compartment and the usual switches under the hood(s), ECU cutout, power monitor etc, and a single piezo shock microphone screwed to the car body inside somewhere to pick up vandals. For the wheels, use special nuts (there are firms that make them one-of-a-kind. Want 3 prongs, 37.15 and 21 degrees apart, neither of them centered, or round, or deep ? ;) Advantages: NOBODY will move that car without the integrators picking it up. Not even downwards or sideways. Nothing to mount under the car body (no holes that void the rust-proofing warranty). Anyone going for the wheel nuts with brute force trips the shock microphone, via noise in the body. And, because of the INS, the alarm can make a difference between someone bumping the car while parking (which should give a short honk or two) and a vandal banging the car without bumping/moving it first. Lifting/towing can set off a different alarm than any other type of motion. Go on and on and on... Nice ? The only question is, how smart a shock microphone and its filtering have to be, to pick up delicate tampering with the special wheel nuts through the suspension. My educated guess is, that 3 active filters (high, low and bandpass), and an AGC amplifier with outputs measurable by A/D on a PIC will do fine to find the difference between a 500 HP Diesel engine vibrating one meter away, high-pitched pings and scratching from tools, (and birds !) and the mid-range thunk of a baseball bat hitting the body somewhere (or of chestnuts falling off a tree) ;). I suppose that it would have to learn each car ;) Imagine the face of an installing technician reading the instructions in the booklet: "Select test mode 1 using the jig, then exit the car, close all its doors and windows, and whack each main exterior body panel of the car three or more times, using a tightly folded newspaper, weighing not less than 300 grams, spending no less than 3 seconds for each panel, and pausing for 5 seconds before proceeding with the next panel. Select test mode 2 and exit the car, to throw the small heavy rubber balls (use the 3 golf balls supplied in the installation kit) against each panel of the car." Unrelated, this reminds me of certain magic rituals required to put the camcorders I work with into service mode. It's like in a fairy tale. Eject cassette compartment. Press 2 certain buttons on the remote control while turning the mode dial left. Then, press the zoom and the date button together... and it goes on and on until you are 'in'. The rationale is of course, that the user has a probability of about 1/((No_of_buttons!) ^ No_of_steps_to_be_taken) to hit the jig setup combination by accident. With the things I'm working on, the number is somewhere around 1/(32!)e3 ;) Peter