For the last four years or so, I have been harassing Microchip for being too slow in developing PICs with EEPROM. At times, the response has been a bit irritated. (Sorry 'bout that, MC). Eventually, Atmel caught up with Microchip. However, I will now officially stop hassling about EEPROM, or "flash," as some prefer to call it. Instead, I want PICs and AVRs with the new type of ferroelectric memory! (Sorry again, MC and Atmel ;-) The following quotes are from Johnsson, B.: "From Russia with love," New Scientist, p. 37-39, 4 July 1998. "Symetrix has issued licenses for [the new ferroelectric material] Y-1 to some 14 companies, including giants such as NEC, Mitsubishi and Toshiba in Japan, Motorola in the US, Siemens in Germany and Hyundai in Korea. The rush to sign up is driven by the advantages that ferroelectrics offer over other nonvolatile memories--electrically erasable programmable read-only memory (EEPROM) and flash memory. Ferroelectric memories are more durable and operate at lower power. The fact that they are easy to manufacture--just three steps on top of the standard process for making silicon devices--should also make them cheaper. But by far the biggest plus is the speed at which information can be written to them. A ferroelectric memory can be erased and rewritten at least a thousand, and possibly as much as a million times faster than an EEPROM." "Matsushita's second product is a 64-kilobit memory embedded in an 8-bit silicon microprocessor." A note: Y-1 is not a kind of PZT (which has been used by eg Ramtron, and has an endurance of around a billion cycles) but has the chemical name strontium bismuth tantalate, and appears to be fatigue free. I wonder who will be the first to include ferroelectric memory on their small processors. Microchip or Atmel? From an architectural point of view, it perhaps makes a bit more sense for Atmel. In any case, it certainly seems to be an interesting development path of any microprocessor. Martin Nilsson http://www.sics.se/~mn/ Swedish Institute of Computer Science E-mail: mn@sics.se Box 1263, SE-164 29 Kista Fax: +46-8-751-7230 Sweden Tel: +46-8-752-1574