Scary thing, archives. Cisco recently announced a relationship with Echelon (http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/146/june98/4.html) So one of my coworkers typed "cisco and echelon" into a web search engine, and what popped up but a 1995 message from me, where I blasted Echelon for being "not hacker friendly"... :-) BillW