Hi, I am considering purchasing Picstart Plus but having read the spec in both the Maplin and Rapid Electronics catalogues there is no mention of 12Cxxx series of Pic's. Can Picstast Plus program these or not? The main reason I was considering PSP was because the programmer could program "All Devices". Until now I have only toyed with 16C84's and have a homebuilt programmer which does the job, but I have already thought of designs which need other Pic's to make them work. Any recommendations for any other programmers that I could build/buy Thanks a lot Keith http://www.btinternet.com/~krazy.keith Krazy Keith's World of DIY Home Automation Attachment converted: wonderland:WINMAIL.DAT (????/----) (0000CE2E)