Paul asks if Maplin's were correct in saying 17C4X are no longer available. Previous replies show they were not. This is something I have found more and more often with Maplins, ever since they were taken over. I suggest (in UK) you try Electronic Services Ltd., their Head Office @ Edinburgh Way, Harlow, Essex, CM20 2DF (01279-626777) has a section that will supply goods on a cwo basis. As you need their part numbers it is best to get a copy of their catalogue first (normally free on request). The current cat. shows 13 versions of -42A, -43 and -44, some of which are (Jan '98). In all, they list over a hundred variants of PICs...maybe not the best prices, but certainly the best selection I've seen! No......I don't work for them, but I do use their cwo system from time to time, and do recommend it. Good luck ;-) Peter.