many thanks to John Tibbits for his discussion of the operating principles of metal detectors. I was somewhat curious about the finer points, myself. My one experience with a metal detector was when a neighbor brought one to our house in the early seventies and asked me to install the add-on earphone jack which the manufacturer supplied. They had a suitable hole in the case of the detector and a little bag containing the jack and the mounting nut and probably a little schematic and that was pretty much it. After getting the jack connected, I remember playing with it a bit. It was one of the heterodyne-type metal detectors which probably operated around 100 KHZ or so. I remember tracing the reinforcing bars in the concrete slab of our house. The one thing that I think I recall that sort of peaked my curiosity was that when I took it outside and swept it over the grass, the oscillator pulled a little in the opposite direction that it had gone for the iron bars and bolts I had been putting near the coil. I wasn't sure if this opposite pulling was due to the grass or the dirt underneath, but one could definitely hear a little rise in the tone if ferrous metal made it drop in pitch or vice versa. If I sound a little vague, it is because a heterodyne-type metal detector will give opposite results depending upon which side of the center frequency one has tuned the search oscillator in reference to the detector's oscillator. This should be a hint or slight warning to anybody who wants to use a PIC. Be sure you know the relationship between the two oscillators or design your frequency counting routine to either read the search oscillator directly or self-calibrate for a period of time to get a base-line reading before going treasure-hunting.:-) Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Data Communications Group