>I found two pretty good software programs. The PROPIC design by Octavio >Nogueira at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/6902/index.html > >The other was the P16PRO software by Bojan Dobaj, which can be found at >http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/9620/ > >I wasn't able to get either to work with either my '715 or with the hardware I >was using. However, they both look like excellent programmers. Same here. At least with my computer Nogueira's software just hangs up. I mean the hardware *is* ok but software locks up totally. No luck there. A real pity as the software would seem great if it only worked. P16PRO programmer has one nice feature I did not see mentioned anywhere. It has a 30-day trial period (if I memory serves well). So, if you do like I did and check the software out, get buzy for a while and then make the hardware you might just have run out of the trial period. Reinstalling the software won't help. Did not register just to see if it really workes with real hardware. -- Harri Suomalainen mailto:haba@cc.hut.fi We have phone numbers, why'd we need IP-numbers? - a person in a bus