PICsters, I recently got hold of an older PICStart 16B, however the firmware and the driver software do not match. :^( Also, it doesn't do some of the newer chips. :^( Thus, I D/L'd the Phoenix firmware upgrade (thank you Jim) from DonTronics (thank you Don). Yes, I got the driver software too. Now my problem is how to get it into a 17C4X. I have exhausted my other avenues, so I will turn to the PICLIST. Is there any kind soul out there (perhaps in the Western US) that has the capability of programming a 17C42, and would be willing to burn me one? I could send you the 17C42 chip, a SASE, and perhaps some small renumeration. If you can help, please E-mail me privately -- be sure to take the '.NS' out of my return address! Thanks, Michael REMOVE THE .NS (NO SPAM) FROM MY ADDRESS TO REPLY ************************************************************************* When the way of the Tao is forgotten, kindness and ethics must be taught. Men must learn to pretend to be wise and good. -- Lao Tzu *************************************************************************