> BTW - is there a "dirt" > simple programmer design and piece of code i can get on the web to program > a test program into the F84s I have in the meantime? I'd like to at least > put the processor to sleep and watch a led blink when I press a push button > hooked to port B... The Microchip Technical Library -CD contains a document called AN589. It is a very small (but not smallest:-) version of a 16x84 programmer. PC software source included. Greetz, Rudy Wieser