Actually, the flip SEEMS like it'd be a great idea for data cables. All sockets would be wired the same. The swapping of transmit and receive pairs would happen in the cable flip. You could hook anything to anything (eliminating the old RS232 DTE/DCE problem). The last round of "rs232 on rj45" pinouts developed at cisco had exactly this feature. You could plug one end of a (flipped) rj45 flat cable into one jack and the other end into another jack, and the right wires would be connected so that everything (data, hw flow control, modem control) worked right. In addition, the "important" wires were in the middle, so you could use as small as 4-wire cable for a 3-signal circuit. I thought it was a great idea. It generated quite a bit of complaint and confusion however... 1) Using "standard" wiring schemes, it apparently results in inappropriate wires being twisted with each other once you get to the twistewd part of the wiring. 2) While we based this and the db25 adaptors on an existing (flipped) rj-45 cable assuming that they were "standard", they weren't. At least one entire product line that uses the same pinout for the rj45 jacks for the "console" and "auxilliary" somehow missed something and shipped (for a LONG time) with NON-flipped flat cables, and their own (different) rj45-db25 adaptors. Really confusing things happened if you tried to move connectors or cables from those products to or from the "terminal server" products that understood the original pinout. 3) Things get confusing when you try to chain cables together... BillW cisco