13/05/'98 Ah, to think that if English did not have over 830 000 words, and rules that may be broken; "I" before "E" except after "C", then SPELL, LEISURE! Who has that 8 year old boy who spelt FISH as GHOTI? (GH as F from enough, O as in I from women, and the TI I can not remember), and why does four become forty. It is most probably the most complex language, no wonder why we often get it wrong! Sentence and paragraph structure have changed, no more do we indent the first sentence of a paragraph, nor is there a need to place a separating line between each. Nottice the credits on movies and TV, that they do not always spell names with the first letter in uppercase. English is constantly evolving; improving, phonetic spelling is now very common. Do not agree with that? Colour: Color, Centre: Center, why is there two there's and two wholes, which write is right which witch is which; the list goes on and on and on. Times have changed, and for some unbeknown reason (To me) the emphasis has been placed on getting the idea right, rather than the presentation. I have seen that people who had schooling in the 30s and 50s are far better (Seemingly) at mastering control of English than those who went in the 80s, etc. Perhaps this may indicate that English is an acquired knowledge over a vast period of time, and not one that can be thought in a matter of a few hours each day (Opinion only). I must say that the English that has been used presently is nothing short of colourful and down right insultive. I have not looked at all the posters regarding this whole process, and do not wish to do so. The last one from Martin Green, was sent to me, as I have now removed myself from this list. It would now seem that the call for mediation may be correct and the only option. Overboard with emotions PS. I don't have any good PIC jokes. -=====================================================================- Dennis Plunkett: Embedded Hardware, Software design NEC Australia DRMASS Line Interface cards TRX software ISDN interface card ph 03 9264-3867 -=====================================================================-