i'd encourage anyone who's been evaluating the merits of free agent along
this thread to go out and download a copy of outlook 98..  it's free up
until July 1st.

http://www.microsoft.com/outlook/outlook98/




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From: pic microcontroller discussion list
[mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Martin Green
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 4:12 PM
To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re[2]: move to newsgroup


     Hey Bart, sorry, you can't kill this thread quite yet, at least not
     without my commenting on one of your statements.  I'm one (the only?)
     of the ones that recommended Forte Agent.  Your point that the
     threading feature works best when only PICLIST messages are in the
     inbox is quite true, but there is a much better solution than
     subscribing via a different address.

     Among it's many other terrific features, Agent also has sophisticated
     message filter/kill feature.  Simply create a new folder called
     PICLIST (or anything you want) then set up a filter to automatically
     route incoming PICLIST traffic directly into that folder rather than
     the inbox.  I use the same technique to route various email
     newsletters and mailing lists each into their own folder.  When you do
     this the threading feature of Agent works perfectly.

     Unfortunately, about a 2 weeks ago, the client site I'm currently
     working at installed a new firewall that blocks POP3 (the old one
     passed it OK), so I can no longer use Agent at work.  I'm now forced
     to use ccMail, which sucks BIGTIME!

     BTW - to anyone evaluating Agent, the freeware Free Agent has none of
     the cool stuff that makes Agent 1.5 so great, so don't look at Free
     Agent and eliminate the full version on that basis.


     CIAO - Martin R. Green


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Subject: Re: move to newsgroup
Author:  pic microcontroller discussion list <PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU> at
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Date:    5/5/98 6:46 PM


Hi All,

I'm the one who started the newsgroup vs mailing list thread back up
again, so I see it as my responsibility to kill it.

I agree with the many people who have responded saying that although
it is hard to keep up with the mailing list, it is better to quickly
read through a bunch of emails that are related to PICs than to be
forced to read through a bunch of spam that is, to put it mildly, off
topic.

I also sympathize with the many members of the list who have
email-only access, and thus could not participate if the list were
moved to a newsgroup.  Some people have http blocked by their company,
so they can't even use dejanews.

Most of all I want to thank the people who have made the following
suggestions, most made by email, that I'm sending back to the group
since they've helped me be more productive, and have forever sated my
thirst for a newsgroup:

1) There is a well-known windows newsreader called Agent which, when
configured as a mail reader, will thread the messages as if they are a
newsgroup.  A folder called "inbox" appears in the same window as all
of the subscribed newsgroups.  Very slick.  This product costs $29
from Forte, Inc:

http://www.forteinc.com

The demo version of this product, Free Agent, does not support
SMTP/POP/email, so you've got to buy the full version to try this out.
A bargain at twice the price, IMHO.

A word of warning:  the best way to set this up is to subscribe to the
piclist with an email address other than the one you use for general
email, since the threading works best when only piclist traffic is
coming to the address.  I used an address I have on a client's server
which I never use for anything else, which is ideal.  Note that the
free email from yahoo.com requires you to use their web-based
interface instead of POP, so it won't work.

2) There is a newsgroup, comp.arch.embedded, which actually has a fair
amount of discussion about PICs.  Of course, there is discussion of
other products too, which may be what some people want, and may be
spam to others :-)

news://comp.arch.embedded

The amount of actual spam in this newsgroup is pretty close to zero,
at least on my server.  YMMV.


Cheers,

Bart




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