Tim I also have gotten the last two issues of EPE magazine. It sure beats anything we have state side. As for a proto board I simply use 1 inch by 12 inch pine board and make little modules to experiment with. I installed a 24 pin zero insertion, (ZIF) socket to make it easy to take the pic from the module to the programer. It's a little tijus soldering wires to the bottom of the socket but managable. One 1 inch pine board 12" by about 18" I screwed the socket and used brass nails, 1", to solder the wires from the socket to. The nails are labled on the wood. Then a 1" by 3" wood module for crystal with caps, also soldered to two brass nails. And on and on with modules for resistors, leds, motors, etc. When I experiment I hook up with alligator clip leads. Even with 10 inch leads the crystal/resonator and clock oscillator can, will start! All this is far better then the Microchip "demo board" which I also have. I haven't tried any of the projects because I also have the basic stamps and I program in Pbasic then use a compiler load into MPLAB for the Picstart + programmer. Anyway just a thought...... ==Mac== At 09:04 PM 4/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hello; >I am a beginner at the PIC and I found what seems to be a >good tutorial in >Everyday Practical Electronics (March issue >http://www.epemag.wimborne.co.uk/). >has anyone seen the tutorial or used the tutorial board? > >Or is there a better board somewhere else? > >thanks > >Tim Griffin >entwood@execpc.com >