On Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:04:35 -0600 Gus Calabrese writes: >Alan > > I am not sure about the legality of revealing a measurement system >that >is copyrighted by the US government. Of course, the US government can't copyright or patent anything. All it can do is try to keep it secret. Most of the technologies used by the government were developed by private companies, so there may be problems there. But a dropping float river level gauge is a very old idea. Some early ones were maintained by the phone company and accessed by telephone. I think they worked something like this: When a call came in, the mechanism would move the float down until it touched the water. Then a motor would slowly wind it back up. The winding mechanism had a cam linked to a bell. Every 6 inches or so wound up, the bell would toll, which would couple to a nearby telephone microphone. The caller (a person) would count rings of the bell and look at a chart for the corresponding river level. When the float reached the top home position again, the motor would stop and the phone line would hang up. With stepper motors and PIC chips, a much more high-tech implementation of this technique is possible. Although some moving parts are required, all the operations are "digital". No precise analog sensors or processing is required. Ideally, the spool at the top would be designed to wind the cable in one layer, so the number of turns directly corresponds to a distance. Using a couple of turns on a drum with a counterweight on the other end of the cable could make the winding more reliable but then the other cable with weight attached has to be kept free of the float cable. The weight and some of the cable would be underwater all the time in between measurements. The tension in a cable is readily measured by passing it through a zig-zag arrangement of eyelets. The top and bottom eyelets are in a line and held stationary. The center eyelet is out of line and connected to a micro switch. Tension on the cable tries to pull the center eyelet in line. The switch is adjusted so the weight of the float will close it but the weight of just the cable (when the float is floating on the water) won't. Another switch may be needed to detect when the float is in the starting position, all the way up. It would also be possible to just operate the motor "up" for many steps to be sure that the float is all the way up (then the motor will stall, and further steps are ignored). But then it isn't possible to double-check each measurement by verifying that the number of steps "down" are roughly the same as the number of steps "up". It would also be possible to detect when the float reaches the water by fitting electrodes on it, either two on the float or one on the float and a "ground" somewhere else. This seems almost as complicated as measuring the tension, and also prone to fouling. Another variation would be to use a sinker, and detect electrically when it touches the surface and mechanically when it touches the bottom. This arrangement would be self-calibrating for the height the mechanism is mounted above the bottom. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]