This discussion is getting as very [OT] as the question: is water a poison? Back to the topic: CO2 plays an important role in growing plants in a greenhouse and must be added just like water and menure. In the greenhouse nextdoor, they grow Gerbera's, CO2 is monitored and kept on a level of about 300 PPM by burning natural gas. The CO2 meter is an IR absorbtion meter with a maximum scale of 3000 PPM. It needs about a month to stabelize the fist time, and must be calibrated at least every month with standard mixtures of gas. The whole procedure costs a few thousand guilders a year, not a problem when you grow a few million guilders worth of Gerbera's. I think its a pity, but this type of sensors are of no use for amateurs. You can use simple glass-chemistry to determine the CO2 content. It costs a lot of time, but gives also a lot of fun! -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Mike Keitz Aan: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Datum: donderdag 26 maart 1998 6:17 Onderwerp: Re: [OT] ph and CO2 measurers? >On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:10:56 -0700 Justin Crooks >writes: >>I have seen studies where up to 35% CO2 was mixed with sufficient >>oxygen, >>and breathed comfortably for quite some time. I think the only danger >>of >>CO2 is that it typically is the byproduct of an oxygen-consuming >>reaction, >>and therefore there is insufficient oxygen to sustain consciousness >>(and/or >>life). > >If you could quote those studies, it would be more believable. I did a >little research, and found that information on C02 is rather scarce in >the industrial hygiene literature, probably because C02 poisoning is not >a major problem. According to the Conference of Governmental Industrial >Hygienists, Inc's 1980 book "Documentation of TLV's" (Threshold Limit >Values ?), a 7-10% concentration of CO2 will cause unconsciousness within >a few minutes, and presumably subsequent death. This is based on a 1931 >German study. The recommended limit is 0.5% averaged over 8 hours, and >1.5% for short intervals (15 minutes). Higher limits (up to 5%) are >considered acceptable for people meeting certain medical qualifications. >Perhaps people who are constantly exposed to high concentrations (e.g. >Biosphere 2 residents) would be able to adapt to a 10% concentration. >Spacecraft are designed for about 0.6% or less. > >I found no mention of higher than normal O2 concentration providing an >increase in CO2 tolerance. From the limited physiology that I know, I >would think that the amount of oxygen (as replacement for nitrogen) >combined with the C02 would have little effect. Two independent types of >perfusion are at work in the lungs. One perfusion gets oxygen in, and >depends on the oxygen level in the breathed air being sufficiently high. >The other gets C02 out, and depends on the C02 level in the breathed air >being sufficiently low. Above a certain level, the body is unable to >compensate for the acidity of the blood caused by dissolved C02. > >However, perfusion is driven by partial pressures, so an atmosphere of >35% CO2 and 65% O2 may be tolerable if the total pressure is about 1/4 of >normal atmospheric (not likely to happen in the typical basement "farm" >except maybe in case of a tornado). This would be roughly the same C02 >and O2 partial pressures found in normal-pressure air with 8% C02. > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >