I've been taking a closer look at pin states on powerup, and am having a hard time understanding the limitations of this scheme. It appears that setting the port reg before changing the direction to an output doesn't help; that the state of the pin is read (as an input) during the TRIS operation, potentially overwriting the port settings. Q: Is it impossible to _absolutely_ insure a known output state on powerup/reset without pullups? ---------- Bruce Cannon Style Management Systems Remember: electronics is changing your world...for good!