Hi, I bought a Warp3 mid last year, and found it very easy to use. The product is relatively cheap, easy to use software, and best of all supports a number of different types of PICs. Recent surfs to Dontronics and his links show later upgrades in firmware (I must look into sometime :-)) show that this product is being supported. The only problem, if you can call it a problem is that it is NOT a production programmer (due to the voltages on verification), but if you are like me just a hobbyist or setting them self up, then I can recommend it (Dontronics for instance, can supply the unit with or without the ZIF sockets, thus keeping the price down even further). I suupose the only thing down on it is that it does not come when purchased as a FULL unit with a jiffy case to keep it neat and protected, but hey, that would cost extra and is easy to purchase from some electronics supplier. In conclusion, if all you want to program is 84s then use one of those do it your self jobs, but if you are keen to go to other PICs then this in my opinion can not be beaten for its ease of use and price. Robert Walker. Australia.