John, the Datarase II is made by the Walling Co. They have two models one of which adds a 2-8 minute timer. I find it typically takes around 10-15 mins to erase PICs. I have been able to use shorter times but I use 15 mins to be sure. It erases EPROMs in around 3 mins. It comes with an AC adaptor and a `little' owner's manual that has a very good explanation of EPROMs and UV radiation. I'm not sure about shipping costs but you can order it in the USA from: Digikey: 800-344-4539 http://www.digikey.com Datarase II without timer. P/N ER2. $39.95 Datarase II with timer. P/N ER3. $49.95 - Tom At 08:11 PM 3/10/98 +0000, John Midgley wrote: >Robin wrote (Actually, I'm Tom ;-) > >>for the same price >>and effort folks put into building their own erasers, you could buy a >>commercial unit such as the Datarase II for around $40 or $50 with a timer. > [snip] >However (you're not supposed to start sentences with 'however', are you?); >I'd cheerfully pay 25 or 30GBP for this Datarase thing, but over here in >Merrie England, people want 50GBP ($80-odd). Rather less attractive at >that price? Especially if an amateur-capable bodge can be done for >20GBP. > >Having said that, if any English PICers know where I can find a UV eraser >at a realistic price, please say! > >Regards > >John M