I have seen the complaints re Embedded Controller Handbook and the CD ROM - I simply contacted our UK supplier, Future Electronics in Manchester, tel: 0161 877 8844, who sent me both items, speedily and efficiently. I would recommend getting your PICs from them if you are in the UK as they seem to be very efficient. Stephen H Alsop, S&S Systems Ltd, UK. Tel: 01909 773399, Fax: 01909 773645 steve@s.ssystems.easynet.co.uk - http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~s.ssystems