In a message dated 98-02-14 20:48:12 EST, you write: << What happened to the KISS principle ? While a car speedo isn't much use at low speeds, a rev counter is. Keep a constant RPM in a low gear and time how long between two points. >> It all depends on how much precision/repeatability you desire. Even your method ( a rev counter on a car) violates the KISS principle. A more KISS method might use the Beaufort scale which then would not even require the use of an automobile. John