Greetings: Just wondering if anyone subscribed to the PIC List has experimented wit h the new 16C77 and determined a compatible freeware software programmer that supports the 8KB program memory? I noticed that the Silicon Systems Ltd. PIP02 programmer has a selectio n for the 16C74 which is in the same family group of microcontrollers as the 16C77 and I wonder if anyone has tried using it with the 77? Very Best Regards, Thomas M. Alldread e-mail: tmaldred@mail.island.net