A simple programmer-hw/assembler-sw for Macintosh to do hobby projects with PIC16F8X is described in: http://www.ee.oulu.fi/~lapi/KissPIC This is a development version and possibly dangerous to your Mac if you do not make it carefully. I recomend testing the system with your cheap old birdie-box (Plus/SE) (requires system 7 though). I used PB160 with no problems. At your own risk, have fun! -- Lauri --- For more info.