All I know is that I was able to use gel-based laser papaer to transfer toner to copper and etch it. I have made quite a few PCBs this way. Gus -- Gus Calabrese Lola Montes WFT Electronics 4337 Raleigh Street Denver, CO 80212 303 964-9670......voicemail wft@frii.com http://www.frii.com/~wft EMERGENCY: 791 High Street Estes Park, CO 80517 if no success with wft@frii.com, try .... wft@bigfoot.com then wft@eudoramail.com