I would like to know, Martin, if you have actually used the copper foil technique and if it worked for you. I have seen many "really great" improvements to PC fab that did not work. Gus -- Gus Calabrese Lola Montes WFT Electronics 4337 Raleigh Street Denver, CO 80212 303 964-9670......voicemail wft@frii.com http://www.frii.com/~wft EMERGENCY: 791 High Street Estes Park, CO 80517 if no success with wft@frii.com, try .... wft@bigfoot.com then wft@eudoramail.com