Dan Larson asked: > Can anyone tell me if the programmer listed in the AN589.PDF > will work equally well for the 16F84 as the 16C84? Yes. The hardware is just as suitable for either PIC. I think Steve Marchant has suitable software: http://www.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk/~cczsteve/pic84.html > are there any paralell port programmer schematics > out the for the other 16Cxx EPROM devices? (16C54 perhaps?) AN589-like hardware can be used with most serial mode programmable PICs (with appropriate software of course). If ISP capability is not required then Octavio Nogueira's stuff may fit the bill: http://www.geocities.com/~oct_nogueira The 16C54 and the like cannot be programmed in serial mode. If you really must build your own programmer for these PICs have a look here: http://www.man.ac.uk/~mbhstdj/upp.html for the way I do it. David -- http://www.man.ac.uk/~mbhstdj