Sounds like the PIC got into latch-up somehow, and the Ni-Cad's low impedance help the PIC into oblivion. I've no idea what impedance a latched up PIC has, but it must be sub-ohm. What size Nicads were they? Steve Lawther ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Getting a PIC really HOT!! or What will make a PIC Author: MIME:anick@IVERSOFT.COM at INTERNET-HUSKY Date: 21/01/98 08:26 Well The PIC in this case go so hot that the case is missing around the die area. You can actually see the the die or whats left of it. I forgot to take the board to work so I could get a picture of it. I'll try and do it tomorrow. Richterkessing, Frank H (GEA, 055132) wrote: > > Alan Nickerson Wrote: > > > I received one of our units back from a customer of ours abd the pic > > was > > completly destroyed. The location where the die is/was was all burned > > and such. It is suspected of being put in a mircowave oven. > > > To give you an alternate view on that failure mode, I have an old and > used digital panel meter from a batch that I picked up at a hamfest some > years back. There's a 7474 on the front PCB with the LEDs. As I was > testing them out I noticed that this one would work fine for about five > minutes or so and then call it quits. The die area of the 7474 gets so > hot that it actually blows a bubble on the plastic package! Let it cool > down and it will work again. It seems odd that it would work at all with > some sort of defect that would get the chip that hot. Too much trouble > to get the thing apart to find the problem. I haven't blown a bubble > with a PIC, but I have had one (due to an oops of a wiring error) get > hot enough that I managed to burn my finger on it (badly). After I > corrected my oops and it cooled down, I continued to use it as my > development PIC without any problems. > > -Frank > > Frank Richterkessing > > FRANK.RICHTERKESSING@APPL.GE.COM