If money wasn't an issue, you could fairly easily implement a scanning laser and detect changes in the environment. See: http://www.helpmaterobotics.com/RC_components/RC_lightranger.htm The ideal inexpensive human detector is a pyroelectric sensor, Eltec has some nice units and some arrays that might be useful. The thing to remember about pyroelectric sensors is that they only detect changes in temperature. I think a couple of the pyroelectric arrays combined with a lens would also work pretty well with a minimum of processing overhead. Not sure about the range issue though. Ben ---------- From: Bertel Schmitt[SMTP:bschmitt@PANIX.COM] Reply To: pic microcontroller discussion list Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 5:58 AM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: (OT) Laser or ???? ranging I'm working on a security application that detects a moving object (usually a human ...) in an outdoor space measuring approx 200 x 500 ft. Output are x/y (maybe even z) coordinates, which are fed to a x/y/z- mount with a video camera on it. Mount gets coordinates, aims, zooms in, focuses - smile!. Video camera and x/y/z mount are done. All I need is the ranging module. Ultrasound is out of the picture because of the distances involved. Motion detectors etc. don't work, because I need the exact location of the object, not just presence detection. Any ideas?