I need good quality IC sockets which will not damage my PICs after numerous insertion and removal cycles? Hows that... better? Any turned-pin socket should be OK. I often use "sacrificial" cheap sockets to hold the PIC. Ack! Get a (usually cheap) side-wipe socket for multiple insertions. The expensive machined pin scokets (round holes, round pins) are nasty to insert into - they might not damage your pic, but YOU will trying to get them in. Better yet, try this old hack: Use two sockets. Put one on your board, put the PIC in the other socket. Now, instertion/removal wear and tear is on the (cheap, replacable) socket the PIC is piggybacked on, rather than the PIC itself. BillW