Peter, Have a look at the EMP-20 from Needham Electronics. It can program most of the Microchip devices as well as micro's and eproms from alot of manufacturers. I've had one here for years and it works great. Brad Stevenson, CET The DPL Group - Telecom Techniques 506-635-1055 or 1-800-561-8880 http://www.dpl.ca > I am new on the list, and new to the PIC- We are soon starting a > project > using the PIC16c93 and therefore I am looking for some advice > regarding : > > Purchase of a PIC programmer; We are currently looking at the PRO-MATE > II > from Microchip - are there any third-party programmers we should > consider > instead ? prisewise cheaper is better however support for the full > serie of > PIC's is essential. >