I am currently using windowed packages in high temperature and low temperature applications. I have taken a PIC16c73A up to 185 C and had it run fine at that temperature (only 455khz though). We spec all our tools using this device at 160 C. My present project using a PIC17c44 has run from -55C to 160C at 5MHz using the windowed ceramic package also. I don't know how they will run at 20MHz, but for seven more degrees I don't think you will have a problem. -----Original Message----- From: Kolesnikoff, Paul [SMTP:pkolesni@BALL.COM] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 8:38 AM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Temperature specs I have to deliver a unit with several 16C63 PICs and 24C32 EEPROMs. After I built a prototype, a temp spec was added of +77deg C. The commercial temp range goes to +70 deg C. My question is - are the industrial and automotive grade PICs a different design, or are they a select in test kind of part? If they are the former, where do I get the high temp parts? If the latter, can I just heat up the PICs I have to 80 deg C and see which ones break? Also, does the clock speed affect this? I'm running at 20MHz. I guess I should also mention that these are windowed parts. Thanks, Paul Kolesnikoff