In a message dated 05/01/98 20:49:48, you write: << Gawd, this thread again. :-) Mine is 14W. I've erased _many_ protected 16C74 and 74A JWs without a problem. If programmed with a PICStart Plus, 1 to 2 hours is about right. If programmed with a ProMate II, it can take significantly longer. --Matt >> Didnt sombody use one of those water treatment lamps some months ago. Mines now been confined to the top draw of a filing cabenet cause the box is broke. Oh by the way its an 8W one.... Cheers Steve.....